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Couldn't handle that. didn't want to go that way. so there's been this deception, which by the way he's been unmasked and he's been with reporters every day. obviously, that's been wrong. and think of what possibly could have happened to some of those reporters taking something home to a family member. so it's egregious all the way around. >> yeah, christine. the reporters, team members, staff, you know, fans, on and on and on. i'm so glad you said that. thank you. dr. wen, let's talk facts, right? because so many people base this on emotion, right? and what they hear from people who are not e...

Again, let's talk facts. that's what conservatives used to claim they were about. facts. facts were stubborn things, as the old saying goes. when donald trump was running for office, illegal border crossings were at a 50 year low. when donald trump was running for office in 2016, talking about building that wall, illegal border crossings were at a 50 year low. to put that in perspective, i was 3 years old and too young to play t-ball the last time illegal border crossings were as low as they were in 2016. considering how old i am, that's saying a lot. still ahead on "morning joe," senator kirs...

>> well, you know, let's talk facts first. and this is information gathered from federal u.s. agencies that help these unaccompanied minors. prior to 2012, don, they would see between 7,000 to 8,000 unaccompanied minors. in 2012, that number went up to 13,000. then in 2013, to 24,000. and of course we're in the situation we are now where it could be -- it could exceed 60,000. so the big question, like you said, is why. what is driving this? the story that we keep hearing over and over again is, a, violence. and just think about it. in these countries of honduras, el salvador and guatemala, the...