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Executive director of the gun owners of america. where are you on background checks? >> we have opposed background checks from the very beginning. the "journal of the american medical association" which is no friend of ours had published a study several years after the background checks were imposed and they found that they hadn't had any impact on reducing crime. so we have a system in place -- >> wait a minute, how to you know that a person -- let's talk logic here. if a criminal or a nut or an addict or a wife beater shows up at a gun store and wants to buy a gun and the guy say, no, how do...