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And then they put in the words "off the rails," which is supposedly credited to general kelly. this person wrote words, inserted them intentionally to throw people off the scent and make us suspect mattis, pence, and kelly. >> you don't know that. you're a little bit of ted ca zinke letter analysis mode right now. >> they're all talking about lodestar. >> certainly mike pence has used it but other people use the word lodestar. it's not like it's old english or something like that. >> this is beltway, swampy stuff. it happens. i've been in washington -- >> they're an appointee of the president....

Throw people off the scent and make us suspect mattis, pence, and kelly. >> you don't know that. you're in a little bit of ted kaczynski letter analysis mode right now. >> they're all talking about lodestar. >> certainly mike pence has used it but other people use the word lodestar. it's not like it's old english or something like that. >> this is beltway, swampy stuff. it happens. i've been in washington -- >> they're an appointee of the president. it's your alligator, caputo. why blame it on the swamp. >> understood. i blame it on the swamp because the swamp rose up and tried very hard to ge...