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And so now might the pursuit of this murder charge help open the door for that investigation, whether it be to find the body that he allegedly has told people he knows about, or whether this gives united states authorities or even aruban authorities any kind of leverage in that unsolved crime? >> well, it's an extraordinary case because, indeed, the united states officials have evidence of at least an extortion relating to trying to find natalee holloway's body. i disagree with richard, by the way. there is not going to be a charge. there is no charge of premeditation. this is basically the th...

Because indeed, the united states officials have evidence of at least an extortion relating to trying to find natalee holloway's body. i disagree with richard, by the way. there is not a charge, there is no charge of premeditation, this is basically the third level murder charge. he's actually looking at about five years, that's it. the united states will be -- >> not 30 years? isn't that 30 years involved? >> that's wrong, avery. >> if there is premeditation, there is not. there is not. >> -- circumstances -- aggravating circumstances. >> absolutely but not a premeditation. anyway, the point ...