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Through. >> there was a uniform agreement from the interest groups and also citizens, sleep-ins, sit-ins and what is it like on capitol hill now? >> well, it was easier to rally opposition against repealing the affordable care act because you had the specter of 20 million people who had health insurance who were not going to have it after they passed that bill. tax cuts are inherently easy to do. you're giving people money. and the obstacles they run into are sort of abstract concerns about the debt and deficit. however, there are enough members right now who, as betsy indicated about ron john...

Tax cuts are inherently easy to do. you're giving people money. and the obstacles they run into are sort of abstract concerns about the debt and deficit. however, there are enough members right now who, as betsy indicated about ron johnson, mitch mcconnell has had leverage eafr. he didn't have leverage over john mccain or bob corker or jeff flake. republicans tried to solve this in the senate bill by making individual tax cuts expire and go poof at the end of eight years but the argument they're making is, they won't really go poof. so if that's the case and you actually care about the deficit...