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It looks like we do not have john park. jonathan pollock, is there a leverage point with shinzo abe, with japan, to core roll a willing of many for policy against north korea? >> well, i don't think there's much question that abe. and i heard him speak in japan less than a week ago. at a conference there, that, you know, he is going to be very -- he's using the same buzz words, the same language that trump uses. the effort here is to reinforce the sense that japan and the united states are joins at the hip on this, that's an understandable position for abe to be in. the bigger questions concer...

Test? >> well, i think as jonathan indicated, the japan -- there's not much daylight between japan and the united states when it comes to north korea. i think he's going to shore up that defense alliance. and the other thing that will be on the table as the two men talk privately is, what is president trump's approach going to be when he arrives in beijing. what is the next iteration of the strategy to try to get the chinese to exert more influence on pyongyang. i'm sure the two leaders will talk about that. and that will be a critical question when he arrives in seoul. >> right, right. the qu...

Years. it's a thing about which conservatives have been complaining as long as i can remember. so if they do have a deficit increase, it's going to be more than bob corker. a lot of republicans won't like it. >> absolutely. mike pence got his start a decade ago fighting george w. bush on these very issues. so you have something inside the administration, the vice president himself who is a fiscal hawk. it's a key question right now. as you said, it's a huge leverage point. it won't just be corker. there will be a lot of conservatives concerned about this. >> shepard: let's say you make $75,000...

Capitol hill. president trump told house republican who's are having a bipartisan meeting on tax reform, if they fail on health care, he would work with democrats. the work that did he, according to the discussion. how is that supposed to sit with your fellow republican when's he is saying, you don't play my way. i'm working with democrats. >> it is one leverage point that trump actually has. probably not the best way to use it. if you know, he got great reviews when he crossed the aisle and worked with democrats to solve a problem. you would hope that would catch on. hey, maybe has the good i...

>> we've heard from both sides, there were some quite critical. maybe the leverages gone. why critical? >> the leverage point would be the criticism. you don't want to start a negotiation from a place of weakness to give away daca to make some sort of permanent amnesty for these people would take away leverage off the table. that's where the criticism is. he runs a wildcat and he can go either way. he's got options here, but it's going to have to give the majority of the republican caucus to agree on anything he doesn't immigration. this isn't a real deal yet. >> immediate immigration done wit...