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Better place, i think. >> what about his leverage point, though, james' leverage points, the only that on president obama, to lead to a less destructive solution on tax and spending. >> why, do you think he cares about it? >> i think the one thing he cares about is big government and-- >> he wants big government. >> because the problem is that-- that roepublicans have-- he doesn't care if taxes rise, he's fine with it, probably prefers it, right? >> the one thing he has campaigned on is taxes r on the rich. this is an emotional issue for the president. this is something he clearly cares about,...

You want to get a deal out of him with meaningful reform on spending or tacks, this is, this is the key leverage point and if it happens, it happens. >> and you get some spending. >> paul: so use spending on discretionary and defense to leverage better tax policy out of the president. bret? >> well, good luck. (laughter) >> first of all, let's bear in mind we've already cut 500 billion dollars from defense. you know, i was out on an aircraft carrier in the persian gulf a few months ago, this is a carrier that ordinarily takes about 90 aircraft. it had about 60 aircraft on at the time. i don't ...

>> what about his leverage point, though, james' leverage points, the only that on president obama, to lead to a less destructive solution on tax and spending. >> why, do you think he cares about it? >> i think the one thing he cares about is big government and-- >> he wants big government. >> because the problem is that-- that roepublicans have-- he doesn't care if taxes rise, he's fine with it, probably prefers it, right? >> the one thing he has campaigned on is taxes rising on the rich. this is an emotional issue for the president. this is something he clearly cares about, he was deeply stu...

You want to get a deal out of him with meaningful reform on spending or tacks, this is, this is the key leverage point and if it happens, it happens. >> and you get some spending. >> paul: so use spending on discretionary and defense to leverage better tax policy out of the president. bret? >> well, good luck. (laughter) >> first of all, let's bear in mind we've already cut 500 billion dollars from defense. you know, i was out on an aircraft carrier in the persian gulf a few months ago, this is a carrier that ordinarily takes about 90 aircraft. it had about 60 aircraft on at the time. i don't ...

craft bobbing in the water there. not going anywhere today. most of the entire central and north part of the state is right now under a tornado watch, not a warning but a watch. a good indication of just the breadth of this storm, tropical storm debby and how far its reach. from tornadoes to water spouts to flooding in the tampa area, to the one death in venus, florida, reported so far. heavy rainfall. maybe up to 20 or 25 inches before all is said and done. we're going to continue to get pounded for at least the next couple of days. soledad? >> you'll be in the middle of it. john, t...