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For $1 trillion in increasing the debt ceiling and so that is our next leverage point. it is a shame that in this nation where every developed country in the world knows that our greatest threat is our fiscal solvency that you have to have the leverage points. you would think that people would just sit down, solve the problem because we know it is our greatest threat. but that is not the case here. we have a president who has not laid out a plan. obviously a spend-aholic. he doesn't really worry about the growth of government and so we have to use these leverage points to try to do those thing...

Have an obligation to do the best we can and that was made very clear in the white house. we're going to do the best we can for the caucuses that we have and country that's waiting for us to make a decision. >> juliet: i imagine there would be a lot of hilarity after he called boehner a dictator and boehner is sniping back. i'm sure that wasn't a fun time. >> not like in a room having a cocktail. >> dave: how about republican bob corker who talked to greta about the spending cuts that they would like to see from the democrats thus far not on the table. it's a shame in this nation where every d...

Better place, i think. >> what about his leverage point, though, james' leverage points, the only that on president obama, to lead to a less destructive solution on tax and spending. >> why, do you think he cares about it? >> i think the one thing he cares about is big government and-- >> he wants big government. >> because the problem is that-- that roepublicans have-- he doesn't care if taxes rise, he's fine with it, probably prefers it, right? >> the one thing he has campaigned on is taxes r on the rich. this is an emotional issue for the president. this is something he clearly cares about,...

>> what about his leverage point, though, james' leverage points, the only that on president obama, to lead to a less destructive solution on tax and spending. >> why, do you think he cares about it? >> i think the one thing he cares about is big government and-- >> he wants big government. >> because the problem is that-- that roepublicans have-- he doesn't care if taxes rise, he's fine with it, probably prefers it, right? >> the one thing he has campaigned on is taxes rising on the rich. this is an emotional issue for the president. this is something he clearly cares about, he was deeply stu...

Doesn't require shooting each other dead. which we know doesn't work. >> that's one of the conversation that happens. okay, let's get together. what are leverage points with russia before we escalate to shooting. what have we got? >> and what's syria going to do, oh, we're just going to pick another -- >> then you do a scenario analysis once you do the interv interval. what is the next warning look like in syria if we get the deal we want and what's the contingency for that. >> i am glad that i don't have to be in that meeting. yeah. and i am immensely emp thetic. i'm hopeful there are people ...