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Think this is so close now is simply you can look at all of ken cuccinelli's problems then look at who the democratic candidate is. terry mccaauliffe. jonathan who writes for "new york" magazine, said mcauliffe is is the kind of democrat the democrats have dreamed of voting against. cuccinelli is the alternative. it's one of those where the negatives are so high on both i think. >> when we get that, already talking about the surge in decline that happens between presidential and midterm elections. if you have a democrat you're not particularly enthusiastic about, you have a republican who make...

Makes you feel like, literally, his running mate, ew jackson. does that shrink the electorate further? what we end up seeing potentially in this election is folks don't bother to come to the polls and cast a vote? >> it's hard to see at this point for the enthusiasm for the candidates. you wonder if it reaches the point, perhaps on the left it's fear of somebody like ken cuccinelli and the very conservative social agenda. that could inspire them. maybe the right gets mobilized. we want to keep virginia from going back into democratic hands. there's that possibly. the other thing is, like, i wo...

In part of his social issue stances. he's said the entire democratic party is anti-god and anti-family. >> lieutenant governor and governor are elected separately in virginia. this is a situation where e.w. jackson wants it to be the cuccinel cuccinelli/jackson ticket. cuccinelli wants it to be, you have two choices here. e.w. jackson, see every time he says something like this, ken cuccinelli can't control it. his campaign can't control it. every time he says it, every voter in virginia is reminded this is ken cuccinelli's running mate, on the republican ticket this fall. he's running for lie...

In virginia. this is a situation where e.w. jackson wants it to be the cuccinelli/jackson ticket. cuccinelli wants it to be, you have two choices here. e.w. jackson, see every time he says something like this, ken cuccinelli can't control it. his campaign can't control it. every time he says it, every voter in virginia is reminded this is ken cuccinelli's running mate, on the republican ticket this fall. he's running for lieutenant governor. that creates a connection that is not helpful for cuccinelli. >> because of the timing of the virginia governor election, we put a lot of attention on it....

That's definitely the story over the last generation or so. there's a huge different in virginia between the electorate that shows up in a presidential election year and the electorate that's shown up when obama has been on the ballot versus when president obama is not on ballot, the off year. virginia of 2008 and 2012, very different in the virginia that elected bob mcdonnell in 2009, the one that went republican in 2010 in the midterms. if that basic electorate shows up here, cuccinelli would have more of a chance. the other issue, other reason i think this is so close now is simply you can ...