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>> it works for those three groups, it's good for the bureaucrats and good for the politicians, why do they want to change? they want more money. i get that. >> paul: you hear that all the time. smaller classrooms, more money, and we've got to spend more on our children. >> let me give you the most troubling statistic. >> from 1983 when our nation announced it was at risk in education to 2010, in at that time frame, we doubled in dollars our expenditure and i think it's pretty clear we're more at risk today than we were in 1983. so money is not going to buy us out. >> and 8 1/2 years is a long...

>> yes, it's not a lib cal, conservative thing, everything on the show is liberal versus conservative. they would go after anybody who was overweight and there would be fat issues, and the real issue is a health issue, is he up to, you know, being -- i don't think he's going to run. >> and alan said it again, and slips that knife in there. oh, he's not qualified. >> i didn't say he he wasn't qualified. i didn't say that. >> and i didn't say he wasn't-- >> jim, i didn't say he wasn't qualified, it wasn't going to run, i didn't say that. >> the rhetorical, you did mt mention-- >> i never said th...

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