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Or he is not willing to get out there and take a hisk. i think it does, as jay carney was suggesting speak to other public concerns about his character and leadership ability. >> bret: charles? >> i'm intrigued by carney's logic. he says because the president killed bin laden we should advocate him illegal aliens. this demonstrated leadership and undid narrative about the indecisiveness. if you look objectively at what he has done in foreign affairs in iran, syria and libya with the russian reset it's record of dithering. on the other hand, it pales in significance in the popular imagination, ...

Lib yeah. they remember where they were when they heard of bin laden's death. it has emotional failure. it does address the character issue. it will be important -- you hear how carney tried to flip negative to a positive. he looks indecisive and he is looking so deep, so long, in to the strategic future that what appears of iterring is real strategic depth and leadership. it reminds me of the crazy of a fanatic follow trodsky who said he was such a visionary not one of his prophecies have yet come true. it's about in the same league as that. >> bret: bill? >> good to know i can discuss trodsk...

>> what about the handling of by this president of events in the middle east? is it your view that it's in america's vital security interests to remove moammar gadhafi from power in libya? >> i think that it's been troubling, the way that the president has responded. for instance, in libya, during the unrest, we had at least 600 americans who were there. the chirn chinese were in the process of removing 12,000 chinese, while the americans were waiting to be removed from lib yeah. i think recently in germany, we saw two military soldiers killed by alleged terrorists this week, and i think the p...

Throughiot the middle east. i know that you're going to spend some time on that this morning. i guess my question is what do you think are some of the options there in that region for the u.s.? >> it really depends. what's been interesting is we've tended to link all of these countries together as we've watch progressively protests grow from tunisia to egypt, but there have been very different outcomes, why? because they are very different countries with different complexities both within the socioeconomic mix in those countries and the leaders. the u.s. certainly feels as if it has and it has...

>> let's go to mr. papantonio, you're an attorney for the people hurt down there. what is your sense of the efforts of bp so far to clean up this mess? are they trying as hard as the people care they are trying to do this job of getting this collected that's coming out? still, every second at the rate of 60,000 barrels a day? >> chris, to put that in perspective, this super tanker hats capability of sucking up 21 million gallons a day. let's compare that to bp's pr flotilla that in ten weeks has been able to get a whopping 28 million gallons. there's a reason for that, chris. right now you hav...