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Felt they were burned in 1986 when reagan promised border enforcement. now once burned, more than twice shy. >> it's bigger than that. it's, you can keep your doctor or keep your health insurance, you'll save $2,500 a year, and there's not a smidgen worth of evidence that anything went down with the irs, and benghazi, that was a youtube video. it's everything. it's the whole ball of wax. you just can't trust right now what's going on, and i think the republicans are smart to say, we want to do it, there's some things we'll do, but we're not going to do it until we take control of the senate, a...

>> and what's the difference between morally acceptable and the idea that it's illegitimate to expect this as a routine part of your health care. fine, go out and get it privately but it should have some kind of a stigma. you certainly shouldn't expect anyone else to pay for it in the way that you expect somebody else to pay 4 antibaiotics or your eyeglass prescription. >> exactly. are we talking about sex or talking about health or talking about religion? it's one of these great framing debates. and the libido thing is precisely -- that's the trap, right? if you want to convince me conservati...