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Everybody left afghanistan. the taliban took control. if he would turn and walk away from afghanistan or pakistan or that part of the world generally i'm fearful that we are headed for trouble down the road. we need to tend to the interest and staif guard our strategic capabilities there and i think we need to maintain working reslaitionships with pakistan, afghanistan, and the rest of them. i don't think we need to run for the exits. >> chris: in libya, the president has turned over command to nato and one of his advisors says that his policy and he even says it might be the obama doctrine is...

The policy is. the idea that you can turn something that important over to libya or over to nato, and have nato deal with libya, and, pursue our interests there, it doesn't work well, frankly, nato only functions effectively when the united states is involved, to lead nato and i think it is unfortunate that we haven't been more forthright and forceful in terms of our approach. >> chris: when you say forceful, would you take out qaddafi and arm the rebels? how far would you be willing to go. >> if you make a decision you will use military force to support the insurgents against qaddafi and want...

Everybody left afghanistan. the taliban took control. if he would turn and walk away from afghanistan or pakistan or that part of the world generally i'm fearful that we are headed for trouble down the road. we need to tend to the interest and staif guard our strategic capabilities there and i think we need to maintain working reslaitionships with pakistan, afghanistan, and the rest of them. i don't think we need to run for the exits. >> chris: in libya, the president has turned over command to nato and one of his advisors says that his policy and he even says it might be the obama doctrine is...

Everybody left afghanistan and ultimately the taliban took control and usama bin laden showed up and it became a safe harbor, training 20,000 terrorists and launching an attack on the u.s. and if we walk away from pakistan, afghanistan, that part of the world, generally i'm fearful that we are headed for trouble down the road. so, we do have a vested interest in what is going on in that part of the world and need to tend to that interest and safeguard our strategic capabilities, there, and i think we need to maintain relationships, working relationships, with pakistan, afghanistan, and the res...