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Might make about libya. and so hillary clinton ultimately owns the libya policy. she doesn't. she can't. barack obama owns the libya policy. he used many more avenues of advice than even hillary clinton knows he used within the government. >> nicole wallace. >> well, listen, i want to take a shower sometimes when we impugn the motives of everybody involved. trey gowdy's motive was to investigate and understand how four innocent people lost their life. let me tell you something about an ambassador like that. when a codel -- >> congressional delegation. >> -- flies over to a war zone, the ambass...

Together the coalition, the way i put together the coalition, that imposed sanctions on iran, think there is a lot of talk about. i talked about smart power. you're talking about what i believe. i believe we have to use every tool at our disposal. lead with diplomacy, support with development, and, when necessary, as a last resort, not a first choice, defend. so, yes, is that what i believe? it is what i believe, and i think that libya was to some extent an example of that. >> you were the author of the libya policy. the one that drove itself. i was your baby. it was an attempt to use smart po...

The least we could do would be to actually focus on the four brave americans who were killed, why they were killed and focus on benghazi. and we have not. mr. roskam's questions were the most interesting. it was like he was running for president. he wanted to debate overall libya policy, why we got there in the first place. that's debatable. you will argue that quite well. that's not about the attack on benghazi. that's not about what we could have done in benghazi to better protect them. so, again, i think we've seen that this committee is focused on you. you know, the ranking member of the a...

Pleased with the work that you did and the risks that you took, the leadership that you took, a couple of hours ago you told me i'm the diplomat here. i'm driving the policy. and isn't it true that you were thinking about getting political credit for months on this? >> no, congressman, if i could. we were trying to make sure that what was written because it's not always accurate, in case you all haven't noticed in your own careers. what was written about a very important foreign policy effort by this administration was accurate. this was all in response so a reporter trying to ask questions an...

Dramatic. that's my hesitanchesitancy. two months before the end of the regime and you're already planning on how to make your statement dramatic to maximize political gains. isn't that right? >> congressman, i think that what we were trying to do is to keep the american people informed about this policy. it was, as you recall, somewhat controversial. now, there were republicans as well as democrats who advocates for it and republicans and democrats concerned about it. so i think as secretary of state, i did have an obligation at some point to be part of the public discussion about what had oc...