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Sentences could overlap. so he could end up with 5 to 8. then it depends on what he gets next week in the washington, d.c., case. that judge will really determine how much time he spends in prison. >> you think the d.c. case, that judge may be tougher than the judge in virginia? >> that's the tea leaves we've been reading. and judge ellis in virginia is known as a light sentencer on white-collar offenders where as amy berman jackson has been -- >> same judge dealing with roger stone and other cases related to all of that. ken, stick around. let me go to kelly o'donnell. there's been developmen...

Expressed skepticism about the special counsel and where manafort figures in these proceedings, and even though he's reputed to be a light sentencer on white collar offenders, this kind of statement cannot set well with a judge. a defendant comes before the court, doesn't mention any of the offenses he's been convicted of. doesn't apologize. doesn't express remorse. simply says i've had a rough time in solitary. i can't imagine that judge ellis is going to treat that kindly. he may take into into account the time that manafort has served, and he may have strong feelings about the fact that man...