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Issue. it is not going to change as radically as it did on gay rights, but it is one that will change in time, and it changes every year for the better. but if you measure it year by year, it looks rocky. >> bret: restarted president obama with the beer summit and the cambridge police officers. we had a lot of incidents in between there, and now this. >> it has been one of the most frustrating, difficult issues for barack obama as president in part because he knows that no matter what he says on any of these issues when it becomes, it becomes a lightning rod issue. can't make anybody happy. sa...

It is not going to change as radically as it did on gay rights, but it is one that will change in time, and it changes every year for the better. but if you measure it year by year, it looks rocky. >> bret: restarted president obama with the beer summit and the cambridge police officers. we had a lot of incidents in between there, and now this. >> it has been one of the most frustrating, difficult issues for barack obama as president in part because he knows that no matter what he says on any of these issues when it becomes, it becomes a lightning rod issue. can't make anybody happy. saying to...

>> i don't know prod the pope. the pope didn't turn around and stalk out of the oval office or anything like that. the pope has been, in fact, more open than a lot his predecessors when it comes to embracing people. look, if you're the president of the united states or the pope, there's a universalist style belief system that you put out there even if you have a deep core faith that takes you in a different direction. huckabee, not that type of leader. he's really being true to himself. >> let's talk about a real lightning rod issue that came up in one of the campaign spots where you were yest...

I think we also have to remember that, too. >> neera, speak to that as well. i think the iraq war issue was such a lightning rod in 2008 and it was so, like, were you with us or were you against us in the democratic party. it wasn't just the fact -- this is my analysis, that hillary voted for the war. it was also that she wasn't able to say she had been wrong. she wasn't able to change her position. do you think that issues of inequality this time will be that kind of lightning rod issue in the democratic base? and i know you believe that hillary is right where we need to be for working famili...

Election left. >> one more issue that comes up, this past week, the administration was supposed to decide some time in the late summer, early fall about the keystone pipeline. and it decided on friday to quote unquote indefinitely postpone its decision. indefinitely in washington means after the election. how big of a deal is this? the republicans pounced on this saying, mr. president, here's your chance to create american jobs, here's your chance to further reduce america's energy independence. why are you beholden? >> the cynical politics on this are so obvious. they don't have to answer any...