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And if we are comfortable that we're doing everything that needs to be done for the american people, then let the experts put the number on it, and that will determine how much we need to spend. and so it may be $3.5 trillion, close to that or closer to something else. so i think that we ought to really focus on the american people, and think about what it takes to get us in a good place, and then let the numbers take care of themselves. >> well, that's a nice sentiment but you have manchin in the senate saying he wants it closer to 1.5 trillion and progressives in the house like tlaib, and ja...

American people, then let the experts put the number on it, and that will determine how much we need to spend. and so it may be $3.5 trillion, close to that or closer to something else. so i think that we ought to really focus on the american people, and think about what it takes to get us in a good place, and then let the numbers take care of themselves. >> well, that's a nice sentiment but you have manchin in the senate saying he wants it closer to 1.5 trillion and progressives in the house like tlaib, and jayapal, corey bush, suggesting they won't go lower than $3.5 trillion at all. i won't...

And that will determine how much we need to spend. and so it may be $3.5 trillion, close to that or closer to something else. so i think that we ought to really focus on the american people, and think about what it takes to get us in a good place, and then let the numbers take care of themselves. >> well, that's a nice sentiment, but you have manchin in the senate saying he wants it closer to 1.5 trillion and progressives in the house like tlaib, and jayapal, corey bush, suggesting they won't go lower than $3.5 trillion at all. i won't tell you, you only have three votes to spare in the house....