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Will be uncovered by bob mueller -- we don't know that there are -- any money laundering, any russian oligarch money ending up in luxury real estate in the u.s. through the trump organization, michael cohen could know about that. so michael cohen is the source for potential surprises that have nothing to do with stormy or taxi -- >> it's a great point betsy. everything i learned about fixers i learned from ray donovan. it is a family business and it's not like doing something for the trump organization that is sketchy as a one-off. it's usually because there is an ethical code or lack of one s...

Every question directly with maximum knowledge, whether it incriminated the president or not. and what the trump people don't understand is this. he's not the president's personal attorney. he is the white house counsel. he is an assistant to the president. he is a commissioned officer. he doesn't work for donald trump. he works for us. he works for the american people. he swore an oath to preserve, protect and defend the constitution in much the same way that donald trump did. that's what his obligation is. it's not to lie for the president. it's to tell the truth to the special counsel on be...

Himself. this is an act of desperation that we're seeing from rudy giuliani, and it will be his legacy forever more that america's mayor has become trump's stooge. >> oh, gosh, wow. i feel like you guys are speaking in t-shirts, i love it. peter baker and ken vogel, thank you for starting us off. congratulations on your paper's reporting on this story. after the break, rudy giuliani as we talked about steps in it again. this time on the question of truthiness and on russian collusion in the trump tower meeting . also ahead prosecutors are about to charge the president's former fixer, micha...

House that moves judicial nominations forward to confirmation. >> counsel's office. >> and the person who is in charge of that also happens to be the singularly most competent person in the white house, one don mcgahn. so don mcgahn has seen everything, knows everything and don mcgahn is going to tell the truth. and that is why the president had a meltdown because he figured out probably this weekend that, no, the guy who is the white house counsel is not your lawyer and he didn't lie for you. >> really quick, frank, we're way over. do you think that firing don mcgahn is off the table for the ...

Could have accessory after the fact or coconspirator with regard to federal hacking violations. you know, i worked a bank robbery when i was a really young fbi agent. the bank robber suited up, armed up, bag, everything, car, switch car on his way to the bank. gets to the bank. shows up at the bank, stikds up the bank, the teller says to him, i don't have the cash. the cash just got put in the main vault and i don't have the combination to the main vault. the bank robber panics, walks out of the bank. guess what? we arrested him for attempted bank robbery, conspiracy to rob a bank. that's esse...