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Something to -- this is a complicated subject, but you look at what trump it doing, look at what limbaugh is doing. then you look at these polls. take obama where he was now and in '08. he's gained a little among women. where is he really down? he's really down with white men who don't have college degrees. he's down with blue collar white guys. a lot of that is economic anxiety. when you listen to this limbaugh stuff and trump stuff, you wonder how much of it is it that too? >> thank you both very much for joining me tonight. >> thank you. coming up, we all remember this picture of the boy ...

>> right. no, i mean, i think there is something to -- this is a complicated subject, but you look at what trump it doing, look at what limbaugh is doing. then you look at these polls. take obama where he was now and in '08. he's gained a little among women. where is he really down? he's really down with white men who don't have college degrees. he's down with blue collar white guys. a lot of that is economic anxiety. when you listen to this limbaugh stuff and trump stuff, you wonder how much of it is it that too? >> thank you both very much for joining me tonight. >> thank you. coming up, w...