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Of the five different basis of potential obstruction in the report that most of you have not read so they are trying to fire mueller, trying to get don mcgahn to lie about wanting to fire mueller and trying to limit mueller scope and trying to mess with cohen's testimony and manafort's cooperation deal. if he puts meat on the bones and said those are legitimate questions that he can't pursue and congress can and then it is time to put up or shut up for this president, not the democrats. they'll have to get to the bottom of it and this president will have to change course from this. >> i don't ...

Metastasized. well, that gets your attention, doesn't it? >> it does. but i think it also -- i totally agree with what ben said. and, you know, the fact that mee pieces of this have been spun off to the eastern district of virginia, to the southern district of new york, and we don't even know, there may be other pieces of it, but the fact that whitaker is in the position he's in, even if temporary, he now overcea ceassees all of tha. yes, he has much more ability to possibly control and limit mueller's investigation because there's no direct reporting and oversight. but, you know, no one shoul...

Department. >> you can't fire your way out of this problem if you're the president. >> i also want to read something that ben wittes went on to write about this very topic. if trump imagines these investigations as a cancer on his presidency, they are a cancer that has already metastasized. that gets your attention, doesn't it? >> it does, but i think -- i totally agree with what ben said. the fact that pieces of this has been spun off to the eastern district of virginia, to the southern district of new york and we don't even know there may be other pieces of it. but the fact that whitaker is ...

Pieces of the investigation around different parts of the department. >> you can't fire your way out of this problem if you're the president. >> i also want to read something that ben wittes went on to write about this very topic. if trump imagines these investigations as a cancer on his presidency, they are a cancer that has already metastasized. that gets your attention, doesn't it? >> it does, but i think -- i totally agree with what ben said. the fact that pieces of this have been spun off to the eastern district of virginia, to the southern district of new york and we don't even know, the...

Think the president has obstr t obstructed justice. you have a guy running this entire investigation that has been openly critical of the way it's been handled. he will have overall sight of this investigation. one of the things that i think we're all going to be looking for that for those of us who have been covering this is whether he tries to speed up this, tells special counsel, ok, we're done. let's go, let's move and ge this over with. >> he's made it clear whitaker was not going to be the acting attorney general, that there are ways to limit mueller's probe, reduce the budget, for examp...