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And the operatives open the committee? did he talk to schiff? did he talk to schiff staffers? i've been a lawyer for a long time. when somebody suddenly changes their testimony, it makes me incredibly suspicious. >> what i can tell you about the trump policy towards the ukraine, it was incoherent. it depends on who you talk to. they seem to be incapable of forming a quid pro quo. >> so, willie -- >> that second argument is incredible. >> willie, the second argument -- >> they're too stupid to have a foreign policy and a quid pro quo. >> but on the second argument, lindsey is once again doing t...

He's been a lawyer for a long time. i don't think he ever -- i find it hard to believe that he was paying attention in law class. of course he doesn't know the evidence code, which he proved earlier this month. and now he's saying i've been a lawyer a long time. when somebody changes their testimony, they become suspicious. actually, everybody's been saying it publicly. he chose to tell the truth in sworn testimony because he didn't sign up to go to jail. and lindsey knows that. and, willie, i just wonder how low these people are going to go. how much they're going to degrade themselves. we're...