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>> two levels, if you decertify it makes more likely, not less likely that iran gets nukes and therefore greater threat to important ally israel in the middle east. the second thing to say is it signals to ally that is we are not to be trusted having signed a deal. we signed that deal, made a deal and america has to keep its word going forward if as we heard in the question people are asking about the u.s. as an effective negotiator in any international arena. chris: michael, we will have a follow-up for you. we get questions every week. there's another big story brewing, there are reports tha...

Rather have a janitor from norway than a doctor from haiti. >> i disagree. chris: why would merit have to do with the country, why wouldn't it have to do with your qualifications? >> i think it does. i think what he's trying to do is move away from a quota-base system, whether it's a quota of underrepresented countries or a quota of norway, for example. i think what he's trying to say is we need to look at the individual and ensure that we look at those who can bring merit to our country. chris: all right, let's turn to the practical implication of that because the big question in washington n...

Helping our borders in order to get a daca deal. that daca deal should stand on its own issue, be clean, worrying about the budget is what republicans and the majority in the house and senate should be doing because otherwise the government shuts down and so republicans are threatening to shut down the government unless they get a whole bunch of bad stuff on immigration and i believe democrats are saying, let's do a clean fix on daca because it has nothing to do with the budget, if we could tie it altogether, great, but don't try to hold young people hostage to get a budget and certainly don't...

Sat across from him at the table. this is what's working against the table. in any negotiation over daca, spending bill over immigration in general. chris: let me ask you about a different aspect of this, the president took heat from the big televised meeting because a lot of people in the base said he seemed too soft, too open, let's get a deal, i will sign anything you want, maybe he didn't intend to do it quite the way that he did it but aren't there people in the base who will be reassured by the hard line he took in the oval office meeting? >> absolutely, we saw some very far right-wing e...

Government shutdown if democrats insist on linking a daca deal to funding for the government before it runs out of money midnight on friday? >> i do not believe daca is dead, but what i would say is from my perspective, of course, as secretary of homeland security, it's not a daca deal, it's a security immigration deal. what my role is to ensure that we don't end up here again. we must close these loopholes to ensure that temporary populations not only are not encouraged to take the dangerous journey to get here but then when they get here, we are able to promptly remove them so we don't end u...