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Good political moment for democrats but should they actually take the final step they are threatening to take which is to link daca and a deal on daca to funding the government and risk a government shutdown, is that smart politics? >> yes, absolutely it is and here is why, chris, number one, democrats have no control of the house or the senate or the white house. republicans have full control right now. this is the only bargaining chip that democrats have. we are tired of seeing the daca recipients not have a fix, we are tired of watching republicans play political football with their lives, ...

Rather have a janitor from norway than a doctor from haiti. >> i disagree. chris: why would merit have to do with the country, why wouldn't it have to do with your qualifications? >> i think it does. i think what he's trying to do is move away from a quota-base system, whether it's a quota of underrepresented countries or a quota of norway, for example. i think what he's trying to say is we need to look at the individual and ensure that we look at those who can bring merit to our country. chris: all right, let's turn to the practical implication of that because the big question in washington n...

The senator said this. >> this is what he used, vile and vulgar comments, the exact word used by the president, not more, repeatedly. chris: secretary, you were in the meeting in the oval office, did the president say that? >> i don't recall him saying that exact phrase. i think he has been clear and i would certainly day undoubtedly the use strong language when it comes to this issue because he feels passionate about it. what was frustrating about the meeting for all of us in the meeting although the deal presented in theory and approached to the four pillars upon which we had agreed, did not...

Helping our borders in order to get a daca deal. that daca deal should stand on its own issue, be clean, worrying about the budget is what republicans and the majority in the house and senate should be doing because otherwise the government shuts down and so republicans are threatening to shut down the government unless they get a whole bunch of bad stuff on immigration and i believe democrats are saying, let's do a clean fix on daca because it has nothing to do with the budget, if we could tie it altogether, great, but don't try to hold young people hostage to get a budget and certainly don't...

Sat across from him at the table. this is what's working against the table. in any negotiation over daca, spending bill over immigration in general. chris: let me ask you about a different aspect of this, the president took heat from the big televised meeting because a lot of people in the base said he seemed too soft, too open, let's get a deal, i will sign anything you want, maybe he didn't intend to do it quite the way that he did it but aren't there people in the base who will be reassured by the hard line he took in the oval office meeting? >> absolutely, we saw some very far right-wing e...