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Seems to take a similar approach. he keeps wrong footing his own administration. he does wrong foot his allies regularly. and sometimes he might indicate to places like north korea that he is just potential lis irrational or irascible fluff to make good on the threats of forced to rid the region of nuclear power. in that context, they're very similar approaches in terms of creating chaos. where the difference will lie at this summit is if vladimir putin and the russian media have drawn attention to this he's meticulous in terms of preparation. he's a former kgb agent, he has phenomenal memory....

They are thinking. >> that's the way they think? >> exactly. the leader of the free world should understand that. >> it's interesting. there's been this mind set of kim juong-un is irrational. >> he isn't. >> how about we can throw hussein in there that you can say the israelis took care of that mess back in the early '80s. >> evil ain't crazy. >> we always want to believe it is crazy. >> what we couldn't get our head wrapped around, what we lost a lot of blood and treasure on is there notion hussein was lying about having weapons he turned out no to have.

To power. also senator mccain saying he doesn't thing that kim jong-un is irrational. what's your take? >> well, i think that he certainly is perhaps not irrational but i do think there is an ego maniacal part of him. he has done everything to keep the u.s. at bay and keeping china to allow him to continue this program. they've gone from a one kiloton bomb to a 30 ton kiloton bomb. this guy understands the movements of levers that he can keep the u.s. from doing -- crossing that line and he can also keep china from shutting off the energy and the trade. so those are the signs of a rational act...

Considering response options on north korea. >> well, we're dealing with a madman in north korea. kim jong-un is irrational and irrational actors like that are a threat to the world. i was over in china last week. we met with premiere lee in beijing. in fact, i spent a lot of time in asia. 25 years ago i was doing business there with proctor and gamble. my family and i lived in china for six years. so i have been watching this carefully for many, many years. here's the concern. do you remember back in 1994, president clinton signed a nuclear peace deal with the north koreans. well, now 22 year...

Had a role in it. heidttweet, didn't say a word. two, it's slightly encouraging to hear tillerson align ourselves with china and say our goal is denuclearization. three, the thing that worries me most, this guy is irrational. >> who, trump or --? >> kim jong-un is irrational. for the president to take the position he is or is not rational, we almost have to get used to the way he talks. you can't invest totally in thinking that he's on the up and up when he talks. >> the problem with that, done any -- when katty said that, we all nodded. that's the way donald trump speaks, in superlatives. now...