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Going to call for changes. >> jesalyn, you were in the video, you met edward snowden in moscow and have been involved with other whistle blowers. do you think there's a distinction in how we think about this activity, domestic surveillance and international? what is the whistleblower rationale for letting a foreign government know that the u.s. is spying on them? >> because the u.s. is violating, nsa is violating not only domestic laws like the patriot act, but also foreign domestic laws like the foreign intelligence surveillance act, but in the case of spying on other world leaders personally...

Device, i think he would take um bridge of that. i think these leaks are obviously these disclosures are incredibly important. we're having not only a domestic conversation, but a worldwide conversation in the european parliament just -- >> right. yeah, there's going to be some international action and one of the complaints from the french is that we are spying on french citizens and this seems a crucial distinction. it's different if we are listening in on the armed forces or intelligence apparatus of some other country. it's a different thing if just every citizen of a country is getting suc...

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