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With no notice of public comment that they didn't have here has an affect oaive 85 million american workers and that was gorsuch's point. this should be done by congress and the state, not by nine supreme court justices and certainly not by a bureaucrat over at osha. >> right. i think that very true. you know, there's also, this was, this is a case of, a case of making bad law for the administration, good law for those that want to restrict agency. what people have gotta understand is that each of these blunders in court are creating law against the office that the president 40e8ds. that's why...

I know you lawyers always follow this so closely, but when the victim never gets a chance to state his perspective, we're so used to women being abused and we never hear from the other side. in this case a lot of horrific things have been said about travis and his friends have talked in his defense. he never had a hint of violence. but his name has been dragged through the mud. and we're not hearing a lot of talk about that. >> well, that's what happens in a trial. that's part of lit gating this matter. and if you're so ask -- >> neil: if the prosecution succeeds in making -- >> definitely the...

That explains some of these inexplicable actions on the part of the state department and specifically the embassador to the united nations. >> neil: then it gets to the issue, someone lied. that's pretty clear. so then you sort of go up the chain of command. who was told to say what and by whom. how involved do you think that gets? >> i think it gets pretty involved because there are a number of questions still unanswered like why couldn't we get at least an f16 to fly over at low altitude while the attack was going on. that scares people. i think -- i was had at the heag when our secretary of...

There is a true value with the unions and tying them up by lit gating is ridiculous. >> it is true corp erations spend a lot of money. but they have all of the political power. >> yes, they have nice coffers that are full and going back to the glory days of when the unions made up 25 percent of the labor in detroit, in michigan. why? the fact is that it destroyed that state. i get so frustrated to hear rick say it will not necessarily create jobs. yes, that's what we are trying to do in this country. creating jobs right now . if you make it easier to unionize employers are not going to hire. i...