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Demeaning them and undercutting them publicly. between director coats, these are people who have more than 70 years of service to the country. >> yeah, and the other concerning part, anderson, let's say we have a national security crisis, again, which is not too far out of the possibilities and then the president will need to come to the american people. he's going to need to explain that threat that exists and will be relying on his intelligence community to give him that threat. again, it's one thing to disagree and another to take issue. a lot of assessments are as much as opinions and theo...

The daniels case, might be in the position to be flipped and cooperate with mueller. >> mueller's people are stopping oligarchs at the border, and grabbing them. they're saying let's see your computer, can your laptop. they start going through it. this is aggressive stuff. >> the element of surprise is quite helpful to their advantaging in this instance. i agree that mr. cohn is not only in the middle of it, but we see with stormy daniels he's either violating his ethics rules with respect to his lawyer org he's not telling it tus the truth. one way or the other, he's covering. > jumping ahead...

They put ideas aside to pursue political expediency. that's not what we're about, but i would argue that standing for something and being authentic on those issues works both for republicans on our sets of issues and for democrats on their sets of issues and the progressives have done a very impressive job of taking over the democratic party. we're just trying to put some ideas back in the republican party. >> right. but you can stand for things that don't necessarily line neatly up in some faux ideological box as being liberal or progressive or conservative, isn't that the problem? that every...