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Coming from between the 40 yard lines? why do we never hear from people who are middle of the road democrats, middle of the road republicans? >> most of them are not watching political shows. most of them are worried about the basics of life, you know? the bottom line is the people who really care, really get intense tune into their favorite cable channel and one of them happens to be chris matthews. >> well, i don't mind that let's take a look anyway. your thoughts about the house, think we will get a big conference flip flap or flap over there, you expect this to go down through christmas or...

Deserve their day to argue their point. they may prevail. my guess is looking at the vote in the senate, 81-19, across the political spectrum, it is like lit version of the bill that we enacted is going to pass in the house of representatives. we are going to see it finalized some time next week. >> thank you so much for joining us. congratulations, by the way, on getting it done here in the senate. thank you, senator durbin. let's go now to democratic congressman brad sherman of southern california. congressman sherman, we haven't had you on in a while. where are you, if you had to vote right...