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and saying that he was able to declassify whatever he wants. joyce, put that -- make sense of that for us? explain that to us. >> well, i'd love to make sense of it, katy, but it doesn't make much in the way of sense. it is a shocker that the former president would try to distract from his own problems but invoking barack obama who by all accounts including this official one complied fully with the presidential records act. when it comes to these new suggestions that trump could have declassified these documents on his way out the door, this rings a little bit too good to be true. an...

To litigate this so to speak in the arena of public opinion by leaking the warrant, you know, to a favorite right-wing news outlet. that's akin to a default judgment in a litigation setting. there was no objection to the government's motion. the government made i thought a cogent argument for why the court should balance these competing interests in favor of a application to unseal the warrant, and particularly when the president is leaking all this stuff publicly anyway, the judge may not be watching msnbc, but he's hchb -- he's listening to the news and learning the president is putting this...

That's not material to the mueller investigation. and someone doesn't go in and just trap themselves in perjury. you don't get trapped into lying. you either tell the truth or you lie. >> and in that clip there, we saw, maya, we saw donald trump, who said, of course it's me. i don't rely on my lawyers. nick, as a lawyer, is dubious about that, as am i. we'll get your view. but i want to play another donald trump, in another legal litigation setting, who was all about relying on his lawyers. take a look. >> what did you do prior to signing this statement to assure yourself that you were accurat...