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Happened ten minutes away from where he was so i think causally it's problematic. but then there's a bigger issue, guys. in terms of the law, in terms of what lizz was talking about, the scuffle with the rams, people being upset about the players, is this retaliatory? i know a lot of people saw that and said "wow, he said it so many times." on the other hand, he's a human being that is reacting to horrible news from his point of view. he's caught up in the emotion and if the police were to investigate and guess who would be investigating and deciding whether to charge him? it would be mccullou...

I think no african-american majority community can afford to give away power. so the police department needs to be gutted. they can do what an elected official suggested to me today that all the police officers in the department can reapply. and we need to find and hire people that serve that community. this police department has the potential of turning out to be the -- a role model for all other police departments across the country. it has the eye of the attorney general. it has the eye of the president of the united states. we can turn this around. you do not give away power because you ca...

This has been generations in the making. so yeah, it's going to be hard. we've just got to stay the course of it. >> can that department be reformed or should it be dissolved? >> i believe this department should be gutted. i think no african-american majority community can afford to give away power. so the police department needs to be gutted. they can do what an elected official suggested to me today that all the police officers in the department can reapply. and we need to find and hire people that serve that community. this police department has the potential of turning out to be the -- a r...

Was embedded with the protesters. that's provocative and it's inaccurate. and that doesn't allow us to get to a conversation about what really happened here. >> but, lizz, what is a guy going to say? he just had two of his officers shot. i mean, you know, they could be at their funerals right now. >> but we're not. okay, chris? we're not. and we expect people like the chief of police to be able to comport himself appropriately and based upon the training that he's had. you don't -- when you face a situation like this, you try to be as accurate as possible. and it was inaccurate to suggest that...

We turned and looked toward the hill from which the shooting came from and heard the cry of the police. we all went down, many scattered. it was a quite chaotic scene. northwest of us up the hill of the street that runs perpendicular to the police department and south florison. and it was behind the street a ways away. approximately 100 feet or so. and we looked toward that direction and once the police officer went down and began to cry out, chaos ensued. and people began to scramble and run for their cars and take cover behind various cars that were on the parking lot. >> joining me now lizz...