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Or just as warm. get back over water land destroys it. shoot back over water it can continue spinning. katie: all right. everyone should be prepared. thanks for watching. brian: if you are going to do a story on the president of the united states probably have a source and anchor with some type of facts. lawrence o'donnell was missing both. he came out and basically accused the president of having his loans cosigned for major purchases by oligarchs in russia. i'm not kidding. listen this single course close to deutsche bank has told me donald trump's loan documents there show that he has cosig...

Steve: right. he is way out in front. let's talk a little bit about this. if you were watching msnbc you saw lawrence o'donnell have to apologize yesterday and retract a story saying they had made a lot of mistakes in investigated it or not vetting it. anyway, it all comes from an interchange with rachel maddow. he was talking to her, discussing how president trump was able to get loans when nobody else in the world would loan money to him. that's when lawrence o'donnell said this that got him in trouble. >> this single source, close to deutsche bank, has told me that the trump -- donald trump...

Me that the trump, donald trump's loan documents there show that he has cosigners. that's how he was able to obtain those loans. and that the cosigners are russian oligarchs. >> what? really question >> that would explain, it seems to me, every kind words donald trump has ever said about vladimir putin, if true. and i stress the if true. >> sean: what? really? if true. except, it wasn't true. what you just heard was complete and totally false. but just an average day at nbc news. this is what they do 365 days per year. those documents for those loans are publicly available, lawrenc lawrence. n...

Horowitz --y >> how can incredibly stand up in court and prosecute someone for perjury if you don't process him for perjury. you lose all credibility. >> laura: rudy, thank you for being here in d.c. former west wing, larry o'donnell teasedos a big story. >> the single source close to -- has told me that the trump, donald trump's loan documents there show that he hasce co-signers, that is how he was able to obtain those laws. and that the co-signers are russian oligarchs. >> what? really? >> even she doesn't believe it. >> laura: even rachel is like dude, i know you need the ratings but even t...

The question is, at what point will the court decide that the public interest demands that oversight have access to this information and that the public should have access to this information? i think particularly if there's somebody's name, and i agree with your previous guest. i think most prosecutors are anxious to look at loan documents, even more so than tax returns because there are all kinds of federal laws against lying on loan documents. and that's -- i bet you donald trump is more nervous about those loan documents than he is even about the tax returns. >> john heilemann, this is yet...