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Get t. so what do you think will happen to obamacare if the irs can't hire the people it wants, a lot of states are not setting up the exchanges, what will happen? >> what the irs has done is a power play. under the law, they don't have the authority to give subsidies if a state doesn't set up an exchange. the federal government sets up the exchange. the irs does not have the authority to provide the subsidies to make these things work. but the irs has made a ruling on its own, directly against the law saying they do have the authority. i think you are going to see a huge showdown on this and ...

These investigations, why did they do it? who gave them the order to do so? when did everyone know, when did the white house know? then we can make sure it does not happen again. >> from the first thing you said, i'm curious, are you connecting the president to this scandal? >> well, i don't know what he knew and when he knew t. so he's got to come forward and lead on this. you know, he has given the impression that somehow he's decease connected with what is going on at the irs, just like he's saying he was disconnected with what is going on in benghazi. he is disconnectinged with what is goi...

Leader cantor coming up in a few minutes. but right now tea party groups say they are being targeted again. they say, though, it isn't just the irs but now the department of homeland security. jason hoyt is a tea party organizer from central florida. he joins us. nice so see you. >> thank you so much. >> what makes you believe your organization or the tea pear is being targeted still? >> last tuesday at noon it went on all over the country, groups got together at their local irs office and we gathered in the rain for an hour or two, probably 100 or so folks there, and there was dhs with their ...

Style of intimidation. we had a peaceful protest, no arranged speakers and there they were in full gear trying to intimidate. >> did you ask or did anyone you know and why they were there and why it wasn't a local police matter? although i guess you were outside a federal building, the irs. but did you ask them or engage them in discussion? >> no, they left their vehicle there and they stood 20 or 30 feet away in the parking lot, kind of eyeing everybody as they went by. i didn't interact with them. i went about and communicated with the folks that were there at the rally. but again, i don't r...

About may 10th when he read about it in the news. number one, do you believe him on that? and number two, are you saying that is simply not doing the job? >> first of all, we can let the facts speak for themselves. that's why the work that our committees are doing and chairman camp and issa on those committees are doing is so important. they are conducting the investigations in a way that are fact-based, without assuming anything, but knowing full well that the american people have a right to feel violated when you have the tax enforcement agency exacting punishment and discriminating against ...