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through these early states, we were in iowa, now we're in new hampshire, jake, and what we're seeing emerge is when he's on the stump he's talking indirectly about former president trump. he's never naming him. it's when he gets off the stump and talks to media that we get those more direct hits that he's taking at him. and that seems to be kind of the needle he's trying to thread right now because remember, a lot of these voters he's talking to may have potentially voted, or most likely voted for former president trump in the past. so he has to kind of walk a fine line here. and wha...

And desantis is going to have to figure out how do i deal with that? he's trying a logic argument. we'll see if that works. but i think folks need to come to terms with the fact that trump's entertainment factor is a huge part of his appeal to republican voters. >> and former congresswoman mia love, donald trump campaigning stood by the covid vaccine, said a lot of people out there appreciate it. he stood by even though a voter took him on saying that they didn't like the jab. desantis is aligning himself with the people who are anti-vaccine. what do you make of that? >> i think desantis has g...