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Pagel, director of clinical operational research unit at ucl. she's also a a member of the group that established itself as an alternative to the government's official scientific advisors, calling themselves the independent sage group. we are we a re really we are really pleased to have you with us, thank you for your time. is it the right time to ease restrictions?— it the right time to ease restrictions? ., ., .. , , restrictions? um, no. i mean, cases are auoin restrictions? um, no. i mean, cases are going pp — restrictions? um, no. i mean, cases are going pp very — restrictions? um, ...