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Did you get overly emotional? >> but i think also that people want someone who will stand up and not just roll over and take it. do you remember reagan when he said i paid for the microphone i'm going to speak my peace? so i think people do want on occasion they feel like for example like in the debates the last time some of us wanted romney to be tougher against obama after benghazi. i'm not going to lay down and let clinton talk over me. >> but the audience has got to be with you if you're going to do it. they've got to be with you. >> yeah. >> and there's a real question about whether you'r...

Point. sometimes we get involved and it actually backfires on us. i think libya's an example of that. and i think had we toppled assad, isis would have been stronger. and i think our arming of the islamic rebels in that civil war has allowed isis to get stronger. >> their response is we got in too late. we started arming at a time when the wrong people had taken over. >> but the truth -- >> but let me make the comment that people you're criticizing say -- excuse me, let me ask the question. the people you're criticizing say we should have been arming those rebels. the decision to arm the rebel...

I mean, i'm not perfect. and, you know, we try to do this starting from 7:00 in the morning to 10:00 at night some nights. but the thing is is that contentious interviews are not one-sided in a sense that oh it's all my fault that this is a contentious interview. if people start out and basically start out with mischaracterizing your position and then saying, well, defend why you've changed your position when in reality the question should be did i change my position because on all three questions my answer is no i didn't change my position. so it's a question. but if you start out and make a ...

Them either. basically it was a talking over each other kind of thing. >> but do you regret it. >> i don't think it makes for good tv. >> do you regret shushing the one reporter and -- savannah guthrie's not exactly known for her, you know, aggressive unfairness. >> right. i think the question was unfair. do i think that i responded appropriately? you know, i would rather not have contentious interviews. i would rather do 30 minutes with charlie rose laid back in a la-z-boy chair. i know but we only get a few minutes. there's not a lot of time for niceties. you understand the position the repo...

I mean, i'm not perfect. and, you know, we try to do this starting from 7:00 in the morning to 10:00 at night some nights. but the thing is is that contentious interviews are not one-sided in a sense that oh it's all my fault that this is a contentious interview. if people start out and basically start out with mischaracterizing your position and then saying, well, defend why you've changed your position when in reality the question should be did i change my position because on all three questions my answer is no i didn't change my position. so it's a question. but if you start out and make a ...