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Actually backfires on us. i think libya's an example of that. and i think had we toppled assad, isis would have been stronger. and i think our arming of the islamic rebels in that civil war has allowed isis to get stronger. >> their response is we got in too late. we started arming at a time when the wrong people had taken over. >> but the truth -- >> but let me make the comment that people you're criticizing say -- excuse me, let me ask the question. the people you're criticizing say we should have been arming those rebels. the decision to arm the rebels was not the wrong one. it just should ...

And today our allies just don't trust us. our military is weak. iranian iranian hedge mommy is going forward. in iraq, in ways we have not seen. >> if we had a bush-cheney administration for another eight years, do you think we would not have seen the growth of isis and collapse of the middle east as we know it? >> no, i don't. because i think when president obama withdrew those last troops from iraq, he created a vacuum. isis filled that vacuum. if we had stayed there, supported the baghdad government and inclusive baghdad government that included kurds, sunnis, i don't think isis would have ...

But there's a philosophy of knee neoconservativism. >> when you say that you have to fight before you can fight for any general election like against hillary clinton, you have to win the gop nomination. and can you do it by alienating what was at least as of a few years ago said to be about 10% of the gop, which is neoconservatives. >> well, yeah but here's the thing megyn. i didn't start this. it's not my choice to start out by having a war with republicans. but i will tell you for example in polling in iowa about two months ago they asked the question, are you -- do you favor rand paul's for...

That exchange? >> i think he missed a good opportunity to be on a primetime show with megyn kelly to tell people why he wants to be president of the united states. in a way -- i understand his point that some people like a candidate that's going to push back harder. that is absolutely true. but he also has to be able to show, one, he can get up off the mat. people want to support him because he's going to take a punch and punches are going to come, take a punch, get up off the mat and pivot and tell me why he wants to be president of the united states. this should have been a much better media...

Being. you didn't -- >> before we get to -- >> cut defense pending and increase it -- >> before -- >> just wonder if you mellowed out. >> why dent you let me explain instead of talking over me. before we go through a litany. why don't you ask me a question. have i changes my opinion -- that would be a better way to approach an interview. >> is iran still not a threat. >> no, no no. no. listen. it's a long-winded question that is setting you up to say you have been beating your wife all these years, and when are you going to stop beating your wife? it's very difficult in those contentious inter...