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Everybody but they have to find offsets. offsets are the way to pay for them so you don't blow a big hole in the deficit. they don't have a solution yet. we'll see the legislation next week. as we speak, they're meeting in the capitol and they're trying to hash out a way to actually close some loop holes, pay for it without losing republican support. that's where they are. >> neil: an uphill battle to put it mildly. thanks, susan. we're finding out more about the cvs deal in talks to buy aetna. it would give aetna a market value of $53 billion. the two have been kicking each others tires. whet...

That this is a real test of their leadership. if they don't pass tax reform, they'll be in a heap of trouble in 2018. there will be a lot of republican voters that say why did we send you up there if you can't do this? >> neil: that was the same pressure when they had to rework the healthcare repeal not once but twice. something happened. >> that puts all the more pressure on republicans to get tax reform done. they already have two eggs on their faces with obamacare. let's remember, we still haven't done infrastructure and all of these other things that we've talked about before which should ...

Become more competitive. >> neil: in the end, if you think about it, even though you start from a higher level versus the corporate rate that right now is at 35%, they don't all pay that. your rate won't go down as low as some corporations if the president's rate -- strategy sticks. in other words, it would go to 20% for big guys, 25% for you. >> and that's the big conundrum in the united states now. what we're experiencing, the biggest challenge is, you look at the large big players out there and all industries, they have 100 plus of staff accountants. small businesses have none. we don't kno...

Saw didn't say the president had full confidence in secretary price. she said the review is underway. the words "we'll see" linger in the air art this point. >> what do you make of it? you think he survives or no? >> i think it's very possible he may have to go. what the white house has to look at, they're not interested in doing major surgery on their cabinet. are other people in trouble like the epa chief, scott pruitt who apparently took some charter travel as well. kellyanne conway was on one of the flights with price. they want to make sure if they have to lance this boil, it's not as ser...

In fact, in closing those loop holes which is a going to be a big fight between industries and the republican party. >> the president says the wealthy won't necessarily benefit. he wouldn't benefit. but in one area he would benefit tremendously. the removal of the estate tax. right now the first 11 million or so of the estate for a couple is tax exempt after 11 million there is significant taxes, 30, 40, 50% federal tax. if he's worth, as he says, $10 billion and he doesn't have to pay any tax on his estate, that would be an enormous bonanza for him and other wealthy people, right? >> absolute...