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Become more competitive. >> neil: in the end, if you think about it, even though you start from a higher level versus the corporate rate that right now is at 35%, they don't all pay that. your rate won't go down as low as some corporations if the president's rate -- strategy sticks. in other words, it would go to 20% for big guys, 25% for you. >> and that's the big conundrum in the united states now. what we're experiencing, the biggest challenge is, you look at the large big players out there and all industries, they have 100 plus of staff accountants. small businesses have none. we don't kno...

Schumer chimed in there. >> just stop, everybody . >> they're trying to spin for harry reid. the fact is i know harry reid loves kids with cancer and all kids. his wife is battling cancer, okay? keep reid away from the microphone. i have to say this is -- republicans passed a bill to fund nih and democrats now have a choice. they passed a bill to fund d.c. now democrats have a choice. they will pass a bill that funds vet services. now democrats have a choice. we'll see if that strategy sticks or not. richard wolffe i guess you, unlike me, think democrats should just reject those measures. >> n...