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They were not going to issue that statement that Rudy Giuliani wanted to include burisma and the 2016 elections there was no white house meeting. It soon became clear to them that the Security Assistance was also at risk and that took on a renewed importance for them. Well, following the 25th call, the July 25th Call, ambassador sondland and volker worked closely with mr. Giuliani and the ukrainians to help draft a statement that the president could make, president zelensky. Wasnt that right . Yes. And the report say they were closely and then also there were phone calls with the white house a...

>> and sondland told the world that basically nobody else on the planet told him that donald trump was trying to tie aid to investigations. in fact he also said everything that he had been testifying to is simply his presumption, is that right? >> that is correct. >> so when we consider what a presumption is, it is not direct, it is not circumstantial, it is not even hearsay. in fact, we typically when trying a case we consider it speculation, is that right. >> right. >> do court as lou speculation in? >> no. >> why not. because it is not reliable. >> it is unreliable. can you name any witness...