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dying for us and then destroying and vanquishing the great fear of death by resurrection. and if we could embrace the love that he brought into the world and shared with each other, i'll give you a sign of hope. a couple years ago on easter sunday you and i would be talking about empty churches. today at the mass i celebrated, over a thousand people, we're back. and there are signs of hope that people want to be spiritually fit. i'm hoping that the love we celebrate in church we can carry outside of church. i'm concerned, as you are, about the outside world. mr. putin says he's a christian, but how do you follow a jesus that lives and stands for everything loving and then do such unloving things? if we could just take the message of this easter season seriously and live it out to the confines of church, we'd be in great shape, wouldn't we? arthel: yeah. but then that's my question. so as we take inventory of our personal stock, you know, how can we fewly and in a manner
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that will, in a way that will matter, learn to see each other not through lenses that reflect color, but see each other as fellow humans? >> yeah. it's a problem i think in every religion too, compartmentalization where i have my god relationship versus my people relationship. god is love, we say, and as often as we love one another, we are experiencing the love of god made real. so we talk a lot, every religion, about how much we are talking to the god upstairs, but to the god upstairs doesn't impact on the way i deal with my neighbor of any color, culture, religion, then what's the point? religion's a wonderful thing. i'm not one of these people who believe it's a negative force unless we don't live it by separating it out and deciding we've got our god life and our real life. they've got to be one and the same. one of the things i'm happy about is when i go home today, i'll be celebrating dinner with my 102-year-old mother cecilia.
and she talks about living through the depression, world war ii and all the things that have happened since then, and she's still living as a person of hope in our year 2023, i'm saying, okay, if my mom can have hope after all she's seen, i'm going to be a person of hope too and and believe that we can take the stuff that we do in church, many in synagogue and mosque and try to live it in the real world. arthel: happy birthday, miss cecilia. oh, by goodness, god bless you, miss cecilia. [laughter] that's amazing. 102? what? >> 10 is 2. arthel: yeah, go ahead. >> no, no, no, thank you. i'll tell mom you sent love. i'm sure she's watching right now because i am her favorite and only son, you know? arthel: that's how you're her favorite, because you're the only. ha ha. [laughter] >> but isn't it interesting today, arthel? arthel: go ahead. >> it's wonderful to me that when i looked out today and i