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Maternal grandmother. irish catholic democrat who loved fdr and jfk. the democratic party left that kind of voter clearly from the 1960s onward. conor lamb is an attempt to try to get that kind of voter back. but on a national level to try to fix this to trump, this is the point i want to make. i'm worried about the fall quite frankly. i think history tells you you should be. >> because of trump? >> no, more because of history, because of what happens generally in the first midterm. i'm not at all worried about 2020 with donald trump. the reason i say that is if fru trump were running in the 1...

About your dad and the role he played. >> yeah. i think a modern father has to be flexible and has to be able to react to what his son ultimately wants to do. you can't try to force your son to do something just because it's your idea of what you did or what you like, because that will backfire. you've got to give him the space to do it. that's important. on the other hand, a son will often look to his dad. my dad was never in politics, he was a converter in the textile industry. he loved fdr, loved adlai stevenson. the only time i saw him cry, he died when i was 14, was the night stevenson lo...