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Very obviously interested in us, in mom and -- >> i mean, i think stokowski loved stan and chris, but he wasn't the person you bond with, you know what i mean? >> i think my mom dreamed of having a little house and a white picket fence. family and that kind of vision, that's what she wanted her life to be. but in reality she has this drive and determination to propel herself forward, and that drive makes it impossible to have that white picket fence and to have that family life and to have a calm existence. >> well, i wanted to make my mark, so to speak. and the most mark one can make is to be...

Big person. and p big presence and very gentle and sweet and very obviously interested in us, and in mom, and -- >> i mean i think that sokowski loved stan, but he was not meant to be a father. he is not the type of person that you bond with, you know what i mean? >> i think that my mom always dreamed of having a little house and white picket fence and family and that kind of vision, and this is what she wanted her life to be, but in reality, she has a drive, and she has this determination to propel herself forward, and ha drive makes it impossible to have that white picket fence and that fami...