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And richard ravage appointed under questionable circumstances who may be the next governor of new york. it's beginning to look like a joke of a rotten burrough, two top elected officials basically on the road to be appointed. is this democracy? >> i think the question is -- >> is this good democracy? >> the question is going to be, i think, that that question has been removed when governor paterson said he's not running again. so, we will know who is elected in november. if governor paterson were to resign, mr. ravage who you just questioned would be governor. so, it really wouldn't change tha...

And i disagree. i usually don't have a problem with liz, we just disagree sometimes. i think she couldn't argue that ravidge should be the governor. if you are saying ravidge is there wrong, gillenbrand is wrong, i mean, that's going to be a fact no matter what happens. >> it reminds me of the old 14th in brooklyn where there's nobody voting except a few clubs active in brooklyn. are you happy with new york democracy right now, lowercase d? >> am i happy with new york democracy right now? that's the question? >> yeah. are the people getting strong leaders that they elect? then you've got micha...