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Ly push back a little bit though. i'm not sure that he was making a justification. i think he was explaining. i think back in july, he did make a statement, i was wrong, i think he does realize and understand that there is a large faction of people who are just going to say what a lot of the panelists have said. like, cry me a river. boohoo. so what? we don't care. there is a faction of people who will be able to forgive him and that is what he is starting to do. i'm so disappointed. because i'm a huge fan. but i don't think he wants to be that person. so will this go away in heal something i'...

Rahm emanuel is the only person standing in the way of the president becoming jimmy carter, focus on that for a minute. astounding from a media mogul who was part of a system that promoted this guy as a savior, as a messiah, as somebody who could part the waters. in one year he's become jimmy carter. >> jon: it doesn't seem everyone is necessarily impressed with the president's people. >> absolutely true. if you're the chief of staff in the white house and everybody loves you, jon, you're doing something wrong, i promise you that. judy, let's get some balance on this, too, that was a pretty fl...