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Nather is still with us. ly za, i will start with you. when we played a little of the president yesterday, we know he has all these recommendation, what did you make of what you were hearing from him yesterday? do you think there was anything significant in terms of a change that was hinted at there is this what is your overall impression of what you heard from the president? >> i think he was being non-committal. i think he had to be non-committal. i think he is now in a rather difficult commission, the committee he appointed, his five appointees recommended sweeping changes to the nsa's acti...

That has happened, so far what he's done has resulted in revelations of gross unconstitutional and conduct on the part of various government agencies that tlent all our liberties. it has resulted in moves to change that, for which we should be very thankful. it has resulted in some embarrass him to the occupation, but which will predominate the bad or the good i think remains to be seen. >> i think it goes both ways. >>ly za, as somebody who has been working hard for years to get this sort of debate into the public sphere, do you think it was practically speaking, could you have got then debat...

Have caught the terrorists or potential terrorists with normal powers as opposed to these. so it's not even as simple as saying we have to balance security versus civil liberties. the fact is these weren't necessary for security. >>ly za. >> i really like the way this report begins. it reminds us there are two kind of security at stake here. there is national security t. need to be secure from outside attack. then there is the security guaranteed by the 4th amendment. the right of the people to be secure in their homes, their papers, their effects against unreasonable government seizures. what...