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All, been a model probationer. all of that stuff, put that in the past and acts and inappropriate things showing up at the tomorrowless shelter where he was doing community service and put that in the past. look for last month, the district attorney the new district attorney larry kras month, who has done great things in that city and really trying to change and reform, he came forward, his office came forward and did something very courageous. we agree with mr. mill and his lawyer's motion that the original conviction should be thrown out for constitutional violations and due process violatio...

Service for saying this. i spent lunch going through 31 pages difficult to come up with what passes for credible defense. this is not a murder case where self defense is an issue. theft case where consent or securities fraud case involving statute of limitations. this is a case that turns on money trail. paper trail. and this is not a situation where day great lawyer can break down a lying cop or thieving snitch. i have never seen any lawyer be able to break down a bank record or e-mail. >> you are saying, while you can find doubt in people and undermine them before a jury when the paper is st...

Where a great lawyer can break down a lying cop or a thieving snitch. in 38 years of practice, i've never seen any lawyer be able to break down an e-mail or a bank robber and get them to confess that they've got it wrong. >> you're saying this is a paper case, not a people case. and while you can find out in people and undermine them before a jury, when the paper is strong, that's much harder. i guess i got to ask you the question, then. do you think this is an even harder defense than that for tom delay? >> in delay, ari, we had a situation where basically nobody disagreed as to what tom did....