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He said this, and i'll read it to you. they can pay for it indirectly through nafta. we say i'm going to make a small percentage of that money and it's going towards the wall. guess what? mexico's paying. what's your response, congressman? >> well, the mexicans have said over and over again that they are not paying for the wall so this has become a tit for tat game and he wants to score some points maybe with his base. that is motivated by this macho thing and perhaps his base will be motivated if nafta is changing the way that they perceive extracting dollars from mexico and they may go to th...

End, when he said, i'm the only one that matters. and that's the thread that's running through all of this. it's not so much that he's president of the united states, but it's about donald trump and whether he's unhappy with this country or happy with this country, how he is being perceived, how he's being believed, his attorney general has been, how the nfl owners are being, all about him in each case and it has, in a sense, been a magical voyage of discovery. >> does he believe the world exists or is just part of his experience and fan tacphantasms. it doesn't seem to matter that there's nuc...

Then so it's hard to get this done. perhaps state by state is a better avenue for those who want to see changes to gun laws because that would also reflect the differences in culture, rural states might have a different attitude than parts of the country more urban and a different relationship of people and guns. brian? >> chris matthews, do you see anything in the near future? >> no. i think it's going or the very hard because again, it is the passion question. it's very easy to understand, if you take something like abortion rights, women are primarily concerned with that issue. everybody ge...

Book. >> excellent. >> got kind of a macho thing, you know, with dobbs. he has got the chalk. you look a little like beck with the chalk. >> you know, that actually is beck's old blackboard. >> is that his old blackboard? >> we are recycling it in the book, i notice you are demanding, dobbs, you are demanding that immigrants to the u.s.a. and they are? >> you and i are buddies. you know i demand very little. if anything, i meet people halfway and suggest. what i suggest, when it comes to immigration, legal and illegal, that would he be honest about who is pushing what. the immigrants themselve...

Impossible for iran to quietly give him back. now the story is out. >> he's been gone since 2007. the a.p. found out around 2010. they said they would wait. they have waited three years. doesn't look like we are closer to getting levinson so they went with it. that's a bad idea? >> it is. it's a separate issue with this administration. the above administration the has n't tried to help them in cuba, taken hostage in north korea or other americans in iran. the obama administration doesn't protect citizens. that's a given. the best hope for getting this guy back, if he's still alive, would have ...