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Holiday season, according to the national retail federation here. joining me is the president of the federation. thank you for joining us on thanksgiving. >> thanks for having me. >> i find is so interesting we have all these great economic indicators that i just mentioned, but you have them coupled with really painful inflation for people whether it's at the gas station or the grocery story. that story, though, doesn't seem to be hitting consumers. they're spending a lot of money. >> yeah, poppy, i think at the highest levels, at the macro level, the economy is in a good place. consumers are ...

To the energy market, the development of clean energy alternatives and you're very keen on your electric vehicles — i get all of that at the macro level, but you don't spend any time talking about what we all, as individual inhabitants of this planet, should and could be doing differently. is that because you don't think individual behaviours really matter to whether or not we succeed in curbing the worst effects of climate change? it does very much. but, unfortunately, individuals make their choices based on the government decisions. for example, i mentioned electric cars, but there's other...

I think we are close to that now. and, for me, it is a litmus test for the rich countries, how sincere they are, how determined they are to put this $100 billion on the table. if it doesn't come, i think it is not good news, and they wouldn't pass the test, in my view. it strikes me, as we talk, that we're talking completely in terms of what governments must do — structural reforms to the energy market, the development of clean energy alternatives and you're very keen on your electric vehicles — i get all of that at the macro level, but you don't spend any time talking about what we all, a...

It is not good news, and they wouldn't pass the test, in my view. it strikes me, as we talk, that we're talking completely in terms of what governments must do — structural reforms to the energy market, the development of clean energy alternatives and you're very keen on your electric vehicles — i get all of that at the macro level, but you don't spend any time talking about what we all, as individual inhabitants of this planet, should and could be doing differently. is that because you don't think individual behaviours really matter to whether or not we succeed in curbing the worst effect...

And i really hope... they're not doing it, mr birol. you know that they are not doing it? year on year, they are failing to meet the 100 billion target. i think we are close to that now. and, for me, it is a litmus test for the rich countries, how sincere they are, how determined they are to put this $100 billion on the table. if it doesn't come, i think it is not good news, and they wouldn't pass the test, in my view. it strikes me, as we talk, that we're talking completely in terms of what governments must do — structural reforms to the energy market, the development of clean energy altern...