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But on a macro level, i want this country to engage in a broader discussion that's, you know, above politics. you know, donald trump ultimately, i don't believe was responsible for bringing us to where we're at. the divisiveness that exists in this country, he just exploited it for his own personal gain. but if we're not going to have that conversation, we're not going to engage in it honestly, you know, we're doomed to repeat the activities of january 6th. >> officer michael fanone of the metropolitan police department. it's great to talk to you again. i'm glad to see you're doing well. i hop...

Lessons from what happened that day. but on a macro level i want this country to engage in a broader discussion, that's above politics. donald trump ultimately, i don't believe was responsible for bringing us to where we're at, the divisiveness, that exist in this country, he just exploited it for his own personal gain. but if we're not going to have that conversation, we're not going to engage in it honestly, we are doomed to repeat the activities of january 6th. >> officer michael fanone of the metropolitan police department. it's great to talk to you again, i'm glad to see you doing well, a...

Where do you put this? is this the culture war on steroids? is this a medical doctor, not just that, foremost public expert of our times, and a recipient of the presidential medal of freedom back when that had actual meaning, is this just a guy who's being set up as a cultural straw man? >> in some ways, yes, and in some ways this is sort of a side debate and kind of pet peeve, pet project of senator paul, who has frequently gone after dr. fuchi in previous hearings though not as combatively as we saw today. it does kind of speak to as you said the broader, cultural issue. it is worth noting t...

Influence will be seen broadly on a macro level, which is that he has so politicized the events of january 6th, leading up to it on that day, of course, and even now going forward that you are seeing republicans who are terrified of crossing him. he has perpetuated what the critics called the big lie that the election was somehow stolen. i know it's important to say it was not, it was a free, fair, transparent election that president biden won. but you have republicans now, even at the local level, who are getting pushed off of party committees because they had the audacity to recognize joe bi...

There's always hope. you know, i've been in florida, in haiti, collapse in barbados and other collapses that we've been at, and there's always that hope and that's why we're here. we fight 24/7, we don't stop. you know, when it gets to that point that it's just incompatible with hope, we'll reach that point. but right now there is always hope and that's what we're here to do, we're here to rescue as many people as we still can. >> it is hard to reconcile some of the images that we're seeing. the work that is going on there with what we just heard from the spiegels. i mean, you don't think of s...