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End. what does it mean that rick gates, the top trump campaign aide, has hired a new lawyer? >> that's significant to the extent that if gates is cooperating with the mueller investigation, that's another inside man. doesn't get closer to manafort than gates. they worked together in the campaign side by side. any information gates is giving really shows they're going to have deep insight into manafort and trump. and presumably collusion. but i think the macro point we have to keep our eye on is the big fish is on the line. it has all been building to this. whether or not this inquiry is focuse...

In the senate. i think that donald trump probably thinks that he got on the wrong side in the first place with roy moore. he didn't endorse him and he endorsed an establishment candidate. and he is trying to get on the right side. and i think it's true. he's not making any real serious moral calculus here. i don't think that's a real big surprise. >> it will. let's do one micro and one macro point. the microis the process. if we follow rick santorum's and other people have made that, that hey, if you're going to vote for roy moore, he may not be in there for long. so they have their investigat...

And clearly think these are credible accusations. so i don't think this is necessarily something that is just democrats are saying roy moore has done something bad, you had rick santorum on here saying if he gets elected, he doesn't think he'll survive being elected into the senate. he didn't endorse him and he endorsed an establishment candidate, and he's trying to get on the right side. and i think it's true. he's not making any real serious moral calculus here. i don't think that's a real big surprise. >> let's do one microand macro point. other people have said this, if you're going to vot...

And the businesses say we're offering people extra hours and benefits and better health care but we can't seem to get them to come to work. every time i hear that there is an age old answer, the answer to why can't i find labor, it's because you're not paying them enough. businesses have gotten out of the robert of giving raises and we're seeing that in the data now finally. it's what we've been waiting for four years. >> business sentiment is a positive. are we going to see this translate. if it does, this will be a huge win for trump. >> translated into what, though? your point is exactly ri...

Focusing on parsing that is necessarily what voters are going to be concerned about. i think the bigger issue for me in that moment was governor romney's failure to take something that pretty much 100,000 conservative pundits and activists and politicians could have taken the moment to make a macro point about the way the administration has handled what happened in benghazi to speak to larger themes about the president's leadership they want to project to voters and governor romney almost failed on that. you won't find many republicans tell you anything other than governor romney failed on tha...